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NIB (aka "Clean") Breeding?

Posted 2020-09-27 03:14:29

I will play manly without inbreeding BUT I will do some inbreeding due to muties or to test for other stuff. Those wolves probably won't be sold (only exception if they are sellable due to mutation, rare base/marking etc.) and rather killed off. 


Dracane
#2821

Posted 2020-09-27 04:23:18

No inbreeding for me. I’m a clean breeder on Lioden and I try to keep my girls only below Gen4, nothing higher then that.  I’m not sure how it will work here but definetly will keep at my clean breeding. I don’t like mutations that much anyway. 


BomBomi
#3469

Posted 2020-09-27 04:35:14

I will not breed sibling to sibling, or parent to offspring, and I’ll try to avoid shared grandparents. I’ll most likely not bother to compare pedigrees further than that.

Real wolves don’t compare pedigrees before they get down to business. ;)

Eelai
#1355

Posted 2020-09-27 07:56:09

I breed dirty on Lioden but I plan on doing clean breeding on Wolvden!! It will be much easier since nothing has any heritage.

Laminae
#3502

Posted 2020-09-27 08:25:18
It seems like the mutations are mostly lethal which is why I'm not trying to go for them. 
Elliebird
#3597

Posted 2020-09-27 14:57:24

As I said on the suggestion for some new terminology, I'll be doing something sort of inbetween! I disliked having to either only got for lower gen lions or go back 20+ gens to check if a lion was clean or dirty, so I've decided to go by a COI lower than 5% for 12 generations. COI means coefficient of inbreeding, and 5% is usually, with some exceptions to certain breeds and countries (USA tends to be higher for example), the acceptable, safe amount. Usually this is calculated to 4 or 5 generations, but I'll be going back to 12 because I don't mind adding the extra names to my calculator I found lmao. This will allow for some inbreeding, and I can take in and use inbred wolves for projects, while also being more ~morally inline~ with my irl beliefs. 


Coyote Teeth (he/they)
#3376

Posted 2020-09-27 15:07:26

@Coyote

Fun fact, in the real world many dogs are testing back with much higher COIs than they should be by pedigree due to such limited starting stock and bottlenecks in breeds. There are dogs that by pedigree may be 3% but test back 20%.

I wonder if the US is actually higher or not. Pedigrees in german showlines tend to all go back to the exact same dogs, and the same in many breeds. There are less restrictions probably are pairings but if there's outcrossing combined with linebreeding it wouldn't be as bad. Breed plays a huge factor more than country they're located in.


Back on topic I probably won't care enough to focus on clean lines. Although it will be much easier on here because of the easy ability to find male wolves in explore. I probably won't do close inbreeding for the most part but distant linebreeding really doesn't both me and wolves really wouldn't be concerned about that in real life. Real world genetics and behaviors animals often prefer a mate that is relatively similar but slightly different over completely different or too related.

Magpie
#406

Posted 2020-09-27 15:15:10

Magpie; correct! That's because a COI and COR are technically different, a COI is used really for calculating pedigrees, while a COR is used for calculating genetics. A pedigree is limited by how many generations you go back, and assumes that you get an equal number of genes each time, which isn't quite correct. It's also why you can't say a wolfdog is going to definitely be x percent because of it's parents being y and z percents! 

That's basically the same reason I'll be using COI as I am though, it's about as accurate as I can get, and I'm pretty content with it. I don't want to be calculating anything by hand, so I'm not really fussed about the actual genetic relation of them all, I think 12 gens will be good enough for me. Usually a driving factor in animals not closely breeding is familial connections, as well as the dispersal of wolves, who will sometimes have to travel great lengths to find both a mate and place where they can settle down. 


Coyote Teeth (he/they)
#3376

Posted 2020-09-27 15:20:24

A common phrase among rabbit breeders is "inbreeding doesn't cause problems, it just reveals the problems that were already there." A lot of breeders I know use inbreeding as a tool to try and force "bad recessives" to the surface to know if their rabbits are carrying a problem.

Then again, rabbits don't tend to have the same issues with "popular sire" that dogs do, and at least in the US, the studbooks are all open, so we don't have the ever-narrowing genepool in rabbit breeds that dog breed have to contend with.

In-game, until there are health consequences, I'm not going to worry too much about it. I spend enough time looking at rabbit pedigrees; I'm not gonna look at imaginary wolf pedigrees too. XD

Ragtatter
#4579

Posted 2020-09-27 17:16:36
I don't do inbreeding in lioden and im going to have only clean wolves here too :) 
Maro
#3368

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