Wolvden Economy/Market Discussion
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Posted 2021-08-07 09:02:21
While I definitely appreciate the sentiment of just playing the game for yourself and not paying attention to the market, and admire the people who can, being able to not care about the wolvden economy is entirely dependent on what your wolvden goals are and whether you can buy gc for expensive goals. Selling food is how I make most of my cash. But I'm not worried about that market at all - people will always need food. There are ups and downs (e.g., food prices tank during events), but on the whole it's a reliable daily source of income that leaves me free to do whatever I feel like with my wolves. So in general, I don't view wolves as investments. I bought a base changer to change one of my hunters to honeydew because I wanted her to have the same base as her mom (one of my favorite og wolves). I'm obviously never getting that 10 gc back but it's worth 10 gc to me to have her look cute. (As I write this I'm also trying to rehome/gift a couple of her pups who turned out khaki. Not sure if anyone will want them, but oh well, this is entirely my own fault haha) |
 Lionel #34199 |
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Posted 2021-08-07 10:13:48
While I definitely appreciate the sentiment of just playing the game for yourself and not paying attention to the market, and admire the people who can, being able to not care about the wolvden economy is entirely dependent on what your wolvden goals are and whether you can buy gc for expensive goals. Pretty much this. I've played plenty of sim games and of course it's 'new shiny thing' but it isn't always just that that garners interest. Some stuff would still be okay if not for stuff like 'IB whatsoever is worthless.' (Note that I don't mind individuals preferring that - like me, they have their own playstyle - I just don't like how so much of the economy revolves around it now.) Many still LOVE merle despite it being around since EA, you can tell from how much they sell for when they're NBWs. There are things that 'could' be okay that aren't brand new. Whether someone is unhappy about the market depends on how they play the game. I enjoy selling wolves, or at least I did, so yeah, it matters to me. Because making back some of what I spent through pups was what sounded fun to me. I can't change what I find fun, unfortunately. Or else I would just say screw it and change my goals to something more reasonable to how WD works. I wish lol. |
 Whirligig (Active: Event) #11137 |
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Posted 2021-08-07 11:24:54
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 Kaz #15854 |
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Posted 2021-08-07 15:08:25 (edited)
However, in general I think there are still ways to make some profit regardless of current fads. Some people may not like it, but I think the low gen preference is here to stay. I've been on the sister site over 6 years, and I still sell low gen non-inbred for a lot more, and that's all I buy as well. I am still buying on here, but I won't buy anything over G3 right now. Several have mentioned that food is a consistent seller. I totally agree. And the hunting teams are what make or break your ability to catch food. High hunting specific stats still sell ok regardless of base. When the T3's first came out along with everyone else I had to have the new shiny Fox breeding male. But there were so many of them with the same lineage I hardly sold any stud fees after spending a ton to get him. I ended up not even breeding to him myself. Around that time I decided to go back and start over with G1 hunters and only bred them on their last 1-2 heats and kept the best of that litter as the replacement. I think there is a decent market for really high hunting specific stats that are G2 or G3. Since you can only have 1 finisher and stalker on each team it's almost impossible to have more than one pair going that will get maxed out stats so you need to buy a mate for the resulting pup that you are using for your next gen. Others doing same thing as I am are looking to buy some that aren't related and so am I so we can keep going for the next one. That's just me though. I find it challenging to get hunting stats as high as I can. If I was playing only to sell T3 wolves I wouldn't be happy at all. I can barely sell those even though they are G2 or G3. I rarely even breed them anymore unless it's for a specific reason. But I have personally bought some G2 to pair bond with mine -even foxes. They just have to have decent stats and be low gen for me. |
Snowcat13 🌞 #3716 |
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Posted 2021-08-11 05:29:10
Selling bred wolves and starred NBWs for non-fodder prices, for a long time I couldn't explain myself why certain wolves are sold but their siblings or equally starred NBWs can't find their customers. Recently, I had somewolf ask me if I had wolves for sale and for set price they were willing to buy two. I had a feeling that I underpriced and put the remaining sibling for higher price but gradually dropped until somewolf bought the wolf for lower price. My demands regarding wolves I wanted to buy, once I stopped buying random wolves, were that either I didn't want to have the wolf even for free or I really wanted to buy the wolf so much that I didn't care about what price checks would say about it, I was willing to buy it even overpriced as long as I could afford it. Do you have similar feeling about it? Then I came to conclusion that whether the wolf can be sold for decent price depends on whether there's a customer who would buy specifically this wolf. Among common wolves (T1s, T2s, low-gen T3s, etc.), we can't compare their value. Instead of counting tiers and special marks, we should count on somewolf who would appreciate certain marking in certain slot or certain looks matching together properly and buy this wolf. What if, instead of searching a customer for the wolf, a wolf was searched for the customer? Do you check breeding projects and LF wolves threads to look if there's somewolf looking for the wolf you have that would otherwise chase? Wouldn't it be more worth to breed for a pup that would match somewolf's requirements instead of trying for pups with the rarest features? Answering one of these questions, I bred a bunch of pups once and decided to check LF thread and suggested my pups to someone who looked for next lead but it wasn't successful. I consider giving it another try in the future but I'm not sure. |
 Dżanek #24018 |
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Posted 2021-08-11 05:50:26
i would love to do something like that honestly, and find people who would be attached to my wolves and are looking for ones just like mine. but ugh it's so hard whenever i have so many at once. i ultimately do end up chasing a bunch of mine. it's just unsustainable to sell G3 T3s right now, i think even if i tried to actively find new homes for them… i had a G3 serpentine on the trading center for days on end before i ultimately gave up. i'm probably just going to keep the low gen serpentines i breed |
 Pikachu #409 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 08:19:43 (edited)
Example 1: A pretty looking female pup has just weaned. Her lineage is long. She has 10 markings but they all are common. Other attributes are also common. You ask for price check.
Example 2: Somewolf realizes how Honey Merle behind Black Merle Patches in the background look pretty along with other markings they can apply using Marking Applicators. However, they need RMAs for merles and it's hugely expensive to get these exact 2 markings. They notice no one has such a wolf. Someday, somewolf else breeds a wolf with Honey Merle in slot 1 and Black Merle Patches in slot 2 but they're IB so they ask for price check trying to get rid of this pup. Other players show price checks similar to Example 1 because wolves with double merle like this are commonly sold in the TC but also have potential for R&C. This dedicated player who looked for such a wolf offers their whole savings of 30 GC and is willing to add some items in case of refusal. Questions might be raised regarding exact values of prices and the fact that merles in background are always high-priced but this is not the point. I wanted to show the general look of the market from the buyer's perspective. |
Dżanek #24018 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 08:45:41
I spent 12 gc on a T1 liver pup because (1) she had excellent chaser stats, (2) she was the right age (I used an aging crystal to sync up her age with the rest of her hunting team), and (3) she was a rare lineage g3 pup that was unrelated to any of my other chasers. In retrospect, this was probably overpriced per the market, but price was not an object to me, I really wanted the pup and was very happy to get her. Other players might look at that pup and say "eww tier 1, yeet." Or they might say, "Gen 3 is too much lineage for me, no thanks." But she was the perfect pup for me. |
Lionel #34199 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 09:17:34 (edited)
And it does happen! A couple days ago I had a simple Sarder merle pup with a clean, but fairly long linage. I thought she was cute (some sort of diluted markings/white merle made her SUPER pink) so I threw her on the TC for the heck of it, and someone took her for 5 GC the same day. While some wolves and players get their fairy tale endings, it doesn't always work like that. There's only so many days for pup training, and once a wolf hits adulthood the clock starts ticking. Someone could still want an older wolf of course (I bought a lovely NBW 4+ yr old lady because I liked her and hope to get a Teardrop out of her before she goes) but the window gets smaller and smaller that you'll find a buyer. I guess the current market is stuck in between "new shiny thing!" phases. The last I can think of was Losna, and that's already lost its steam. That's the only type of selling boom you'll see, and it comes and goes so quickly. Everything else is just a matter of how much patience you (and buyers searching for something specific) have. Now see, if you're like me I want those dang pups OUT the second they wean. xD |
Alex (Coyote) #45825 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 09:40:17
I also agree with others that it can be about how much time you have/use in the market, and that despite a ponderous attempt (or several as in across multiple trades/advertisements) you just do not make a sale and that can be quite frustrating. Thus, burn out. How much time can be spent on this? Will a return on time investment result fortuitously? Even if I get a return, will I end feeling exhausted rather than exhilarated? Another thought I have to add is when I go to sell a wolf, if I post on Looking For Wolves thread, I tend to err on the side of caution, not having the wolf with a buyout in the event the original poster is interested. Mind, due to my understanding that pricing and selling wolves would be difficult if not nigh improbable to succeed (refer to exhaustion and time investment queries), I have by and large instead gone the route of item trading. Even there (as in item trades), before the first wave of Lead Wolves PassIng, also before Fishing, and food prices being 2 SC per use generally, I would invest time Bumping trades and posting on Sales Chatbox. The same was a bit true of Lucky Feet 'round then. Rarely was I going to convince people to part with SC, and GC was tossed readily instead. Of course, all of this is my opinion and/or experience. I look forward to further discussion. |
 Zeraki #26932 |