Wolvden Economy/Market Discussion
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Posted 2021-08-12 09:40:49
I also agree the market is somewhat cyclical. I had some high stat G2-G3 a month or so ago that literally sold as soon as I put them out -now I have some that have been out for days and aren't selling. I'll probably end up chasing them soon, and I definitely am not breeding as much. Still buying that food though. |
Snowcat13 🌞 #3716 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 09:50:43
The puppy training has made me delay putting pups in sales until they are done training at 5.5 months (after their last session). I used to put them out as soon as they wean. Yeah, pup training has made everything a lot slower, both from a practical perspective (every day I leave a pup on the market without training, they lose value) and from a sentimental perspective (I want my pups to live up to their full potential). For hunter pups, I usually put them up for sale at 5 months after they've gotten a full +27/+27 in their relevant stats. For general high stat pups - I actually have a fresh batch in stock atm, I'm going to wait to put them up for sale until they have the full +63. I've experimented with putting up a pup trade daily and then canceling it for training, but I think it's more trouble than it's worth. |
 Lionel #34199 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 09:50:56 (edited)
My hunting teams are getting decent at bringing in large prey, which I originally thought "heck yeah, I can sell this!" but... most of it is going right back to my wolves. I know, that's my fault for buying too many. But like Snowcat said, that and the lack of pup sales has me wanting to breed way less. Even my next stud and breeding plans seem like a waste, because nothing sells fast enough to warrant focusing on breeding a specific base/marking/line/etc. Edit @Lionel Been putting up/taking down trades for training too. Obvs gives that extra stat boost, but I risk losing anyone watching the trade. I know personally I watch a lot of trades so I can mull over them later, and I think that's how a lot of sales are made. So it's a win/lose either way. |
Alex (Coyote) #45825 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 10:44:46
I even have a hunch that just letting a wolf age to adulthood and then putting it on the TC might work best I've actually tried this with a couple recent litters, and had pretty good success? But only with high-stat role-bred pups that were fully pup + adol trained, and they probably would have sold pretty well anyways so idk. It also works pretty well for females, since they just sell better when they're in heat anyways. But yeah - it's definitely a huge resource drain, and not a good strategy if you care about profit or don't have food + amusement to spare. Last winter got pretty iffy for my pack lol  I'm not really sure what I'll do for future hunter litters - I'm debating doing purely stockpile listings until they hit 20% proficiency, but my sales threads haven't done that well in the past so  . I mostly breed for my own projects so not making a profit doesn't bother me, but it does make me a little sad to have to chase a nice stat-bred wolf that just won't sell.
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 🌿 glasswort 🌿 #11643 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 20:02:11
That's just my own playstyle though. I feel like there should be a market for adults, for people who want the convenience of a hunter/scout/breeder right now. |
Lionel #34199 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 20:10:14
Personally I'm starting to train pups all the way to adulthood to see if they're easier sold, I won't be able to tell anyone the results for a couple weeks but here's to hoping the specialized stat market will still be fairly active! |
 Kaz #15854 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 20:47:53
So, as it is right now, I don't want any more untrained wolves--if I could find and buy trained wolves for a pair bond at the end of life for my wolves I want replacements for, that would suit me just fine. If it isn't obvious, I do breed for stats. I want to get my hunters up to a level I can comfortably live anywhere game-year round. On the topic of T3s, I am wondering how well my new stud (a NBW fox) will do. Even with the NBW craze, he seems to be garnering less interest than my previous stud, a long-lined NIB slate. Whether that is due to stats and needing this boy to level more or if it is because there are far more foxes to choose from, I don't know. I did buy my slate boy right before the market tanked, so I definitely did not make back his purchase price. So, I am pretty leery of biting on any of the new fads. I am sitting on all but my Luna base app from the events (wanted my new lead to have a special base) in the hopes that they will get rarer and potentially have value again later as the ability to create them diminishes--though I suppose that depends on R&C too. Aside from buying GC items to pretty up my wolves, I am pretty self-sufficient. I always have enough food, toys, and medicine. I suppose I could start selling food instead of giving away my excess, but I have never actually had luck with that. I don't sell wolves except for the occasional NBW I pick up. Nothing I breed goes up for trade, I have had people buy pups just to chase them and if that is what is going to happen I can do that myself (or R&C them). Also, my wolves are special to me so it would just make me sad to see their pups get deleted. (Sure, I do it, but they are adults at that point so I can say they grew up and left). |
 Sepulchre #33572 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 22:03:28
Personally, I never buy adult wolves because (1) I like raising them from young, it feels more special to me when I watch them grow up, and (2) I tend to plan ahead for my pack members. Personally I'm starting to train pups all the way to adulthood to see if they're easier sold, I won't be able to tell anyone the results for a couple weeks but here's to hoping the specialized stat market will still be fairly active! This is super interesting! I'm actually the same way, I usually prefer to plan ahead and either breed my own hunting replacements, or buy them young so that I know exactly who is taking over and when. My hunters are generally also my favourite wolves though, so I'm pretty picky about them. I don't know enough people to say for sure of course, but it seems like this might be pretty common among hunting stat breeders? That said though, the majority of my role-bred pups don't actually get sold to other stat breeders, even the top-tier ones with uncommon lineages. Usually only ~1 pup per Actually Good litter at most will go to a stat breeder - the rest of them tend to end up either with newish players trying to get established, or non-stat breeders who just want a good team to keep their pack fed (Not complaining btw - I'm happy either way!). This is anecdotal at best, but I've definitely noticed that the wolves I've sold as adults seem to pretty much only go to the new players and non-stat breeders - so maybe there will be more of a demand for ready-to-go hunters/scouts outside of the specialist market?  Anyways, I'd be super interested in what you find @Kaz! I am sitting on all but my Luna base app from the events (wanted my new lead to have a special base) in the hopes that they will get rarer and potentially have value again later as the ability to create them diminishes--though I suppose that depends on R&C too. I'm also really curious to see what will happen to the value of the event apps! I think it will probably depend on how re-releasing them during irl lunar events ends up working? Losna is pretty popular, so I feel like that one at least should hopefully build up some good value over time. |
🌿 glasswort 🌿 #11643 |
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Posted 2021-08-12 22:57:57
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Kaz #15854 |
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Posted 2021-08-13 03:19:41
Right now they're definitely selling for less because people are waiting for this event. I think a lot of people would rather spend the money to get their own apps and customize rather than buy a pup with the colors; I know I'll need some for a couple G1's/NBW's I plan on designing. *I just looked up 2022 and it seems like there won't be a blue moon, so I wonder if/when a special lunar event would run, or if they'll eventually just start rereleasing apps on regular events. If staff doesn't say anything about rereleasing regardless of if they do, apps will definitely start shooting back up in price. Definitely would be something to watch the news to see how things are mentioned/worded and plan selling apps based on that. |
Alex (Coyote) #45825 |