Wolvden Economy/Market Discussion
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Posted 2021-08-05 10:41:32
On a related but entirely other topic, how is the art market on here? I've been contemplating starting commissions... but what I see people putting as their prices seems way too low for me. Worried I'll put up a topic with a small portfolio and big prices and no one will bite. My work isn't YCH, each one is its own work... but still. :/ |
Alex (Coyote) #45825 |
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Posted 2021-08-05 18:16:18
I've spent 200+ GC on my T3s, not including my current and former stud. And I'm slowly coming to realize... what was the point in doing that? Their lineages are long and inbred, their stats suck, and sure, they're T3s, but hardly anyone would care about that considering the first things I mentioned. Their pups aren't going to sell unless it's for pennies, which hardly makes up for the price of the studding, let alone all the GC on their appearances. I want to feel like all my effort meant something, but... it really doesn't. I had such high hopes when I first started buying them, and now I just feel burned out. That's my own fault for letting myself fall into a trap of my own making, but I didn't know it would be like this. I didn't know it would make me feel so worn out and bitter. Does anyone actually make a profit off doing any of this? Because all I feel like is that I made a huge investment that's crashing and burning. I really don't like how much value is put into NBWs, but at this point, it's the only thing that interests me about WD. The pups of my expensive wolves are growing up and will hopefully make it into the chase pool, so that maybe all my bad attitude can be used to make someone's day. Everyone likes finding a T3 in explore, and giving people that experience is the last thing I'm banking on around here, lol. This post is 100% complaining and I'm being overdramatic, I'm aware of that. It's a game and I shouldn't take it seriously, but it really does hurt. I'm not the type of person to get my hopes up, so when it happens and fails, I fall HARD. Just wish I knew what I was getting myself into before I started, I would have ABSOLUTELY taken a more chill, less-market-oriented route of gameplay. WD sounds a lot more fun when you completely avoid the economy lmao. |
 Whirligig (Active: Event) #11137 |
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Posted 2021-08-05 19:00:35
(btw your T3s are gorgeous, idc about their lines. i'm gonna have to use your stud!) a few months ago it was worth enough to just have a T3. regardless of whether or not their lines were long or if they were inbred. god knows how much GC i've spent on T3s that were inbred and later on practically deemed worthless. my first T3 i ever got i spent a steep price on all the way in february. i love her still and she's in my dynasty, and i'd still argue she's a beautiful fox, though now she would be seen as worthless because of all of her lineage. i wish i'd done the same lol… just had my own pack and not bought any wolves save for a few. it is what it is i guess, unfortunately. but it's tough. i can't get a profit off of my T3s either, even if they're second or third gen, and i've spent so much customizing my T3s that it sucks! |
 Pikachu #409 |
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Posted 2021-08-05 21:05:33
a few months ago it was worth enough to just have a T3. Yeah for sure. I bought my first t3 in March, a gen 6 Faelor/Spitfire-line mojave for 50 gc. I don't regret the purchase, she's gorgeous, but it's kind of amazing how hard the market has crashed since then. |
 Lionel #34199 |
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Posted 2021-08-05 23:56:27
It really is crazy just how fast the prices dropped. If it was gradual that would be one thing, but it just kinda tanked. I was shocked a while back when I looked at the rarity of the Fox base and realized that a large portion of T2s and even some T1s are more 'rare' than it now. It's at .72% right now. That's insane. For something that hard to achieve, it's sure all-over-the-place now. And sure, it was the gateway T3, but I didn't know it would be THAT damaged from being the first. It really is unfortunate for Foxes in particular with all this market stuff since, as Alex (Coyote) mentioned, they really are often viewed as 'not real' T3s or bargain-brand T3s, at least price-wise, anyway. Fox is a cute base - it deserves more respect than that, damn it. |
Whirligig (Active: Event) #11137 |
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Posted 2021-08-06 06:41:48
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 Beads #35084 |
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Posted 2021-08-06 20:38:58
Now if you look at players exchanging currency over wolves, since the only way to recoup a purchase is to sell back to other players, there will always be someone with a net loss. To make profit you need to be one of the few providers of something that a majority of people want. And the wolves reproduce quickly so the supply increases quickly, and the prices drop accordingly. It's not so weird that the prices of t3's dropped quickly because people wanted to make them accessible through mass producing them and/or raise & chase. I think it's nice because it's easier to get your dream wolf now. Imo try not to stress over profiting off of wolf breeding because the game just isn't designed for everyone to win at that. If it's a wolf that you like, it's not worthless! |
 Fran #19368 |
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Posted 2021-08-06 21:17:01 (edited)
The T3 market dropped since they're so much more common now, of course, but it's unfortunate that they dropped so severely, so suddenly. They should have retained some value since they're more difficult to breed compared to T1s and T2s, and for the most part, they're still rarer than other bases. But the average T3 pup sells for around 5-10 GC right now, if I'm correct? Assuming there are bites on the sales, that is. (When I was buying T3s, that's where the price range settled, anyway.) Without such a NIB/G1 craze, this overall profit drop for all wolves across the board wouldn't be nearly as bad in my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone who sells G2 T3s, but it seems like even they are losing value. If that's the case, that seems... dangerous. My concern is more over the state of the economy rather than my own wolves at this point. I've seen some comments that an unstable market like this can't properly sustain itself forever, and that's something I'm worried about. Hope this all made sense, I'm tired and out of it. |
Whirligig (Active: Event) #11137 |
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Posted 2021-08-06 21:34:06
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 Kaz #15854 |
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Posted 2021-08-06 23:02:35
If you strip the game down to the very basics, you really don't need to have much money at all to survive - as long as you have a few proficient wolves, sustaining your pack is pretty easy. The stuff you have to pay for is either cosmetic (apps, backgrounds/decor, etc) or convenience (FAPA, IPDs, etc). I'm not trying to criticize wolvden specifically, but the end of the day it's a for-profit site, and they will always try to encourage P2P. So I wouldn't stress about the health of the long-term market - it's just how these things are. The one nice thing about it is that having predictable crashes means that almost everything becomes widely available eventually, so most projects are doable if you're willing to wait. (And if you aren't willing to wait... well, that's how they get you to P2P lol). I hope this doesn't sound mean or anything - I can totally sympathize with the frustration, and if people really like playing for the market, that's great - everyone's playstyle is different. I guess I just wanted to point out that it will probably always be this way because it's a for-profit game. Nothing wrong with complaining about it, but it's unlikely to change. And personally, I agree with @Fran - letting go of the idea that my wolves had to make a profit has made the game way more enjoyable for me. ^_^ |
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