Feed All/Play All (& how it affects mentally/chronically ill and neurodivergent players)

@Greysky,

A huge huge part of the game especially on Wolvden vs. Lioden is that wolves can die if not taken care of not just that they’ll run away. Feeding and taking care of your wolves is indeed designed to be part of game play. There are currently already two methods of feeding and playing wolves one of which is far more convienent than feeding the wolf on its page.

This game isn’t just breeding and exploring it’s also taking care of your wolves. They could have no feed all/play all of hoard feeding option and require players to feed from wolves pages. As is they’ve added in features that make things a lot easier even if they aren’t super enjoyable(hoard feeding). 

@Magpie

"A huge huge part of the game especially on Wolvden vs. Lioden is that wolves can die if not taken care of not just that they’ll run away."
- Yes? I don't understand what this is supposed to mean and why it's mentioned, I'm sorry. The result is exactly the same: the wolf is gone. it's erased if you don't pay for ones who ran, or put dead ones in the dynasty, which is even worse than ones that have run away and further encourages my point about making it less tedious to do.

"This game isn’t just breeding and exploring it’s also taking care of your wolves. They could have no feed all/play all of hoard feeding option and require players to feed from wolves pages."
- We're not saying feeding isn't part of the gameplay. We're saying clicking a whole bunch of times shouldn't be. You don't have to click a whole bunch of times in a row to hunt, or breed, and in explore there's at least things that happen and flavor text that makes things interesting. Just because something could be worse doesn't mean we just have settle when it could be even better. That's a bad way to look at things, especially things that involve making things more accessible, usable, and fun for your fellow players that has no negative effect on you (or the devs!)

Again, there's still a ton of things to buy in the grove, and tons of people willing to pay for them. I'm even an early access player, of course I'm willing to put some money into this game! The devs wouldn't suffer that badly from upping the price and making it a one time buy, and it would be optional and no one else would have to use it if they don't want to.

@Magpie

What you call not 'super enjoyable' I call 'painful on bad days if I don't find a higher priority for WD in my life so I get it done before anything else'. Obviously the Devs are not shutting this down as they are open to change and I'd personally like some system that lets them still get money to keep doing their job.

I don't care about the monotony. I have another petsite that requires me to bond with familiars everyday if I want the rewards from doing so. I can zoom out in chrome to make it so I have to make very limited mouse movement. And they have keyboard shortcuts for changing pages to make it even easier on me. But I still have to do this around 70 times on days I feel like bothering, but unlike WD I don't have to do this and can still access the rest of the site without risking multiple bad days causing my wolves to run.

Neither that other or feeding/playing are entertaining. No one is actually asking for it to be. We are asking for it to be looked at to be more accessible to a subset of people who find it not to be. Because we enjoy this game and want to play it.  If it becomes a one time payment. I still will not pay for it. I want to spend my recreation budget on fun things and when I buy GC it will continue to be used on customizing my wolves or other things that are. Not accessibility. The developers haven't shut this down, they haven't said they are not open to change, but a lot of the players are and I don't understand.

Why are so many of you invested in not changing something that won't cause you a problem either way, but it currently causes issues for others?

Both I and others want some compromise that continues to make the site money and thus keep WD around longer, but also is easier on others who have difficulty with the system as it is. If the one time payment isn't it, fine. But there has to be something that could be done. Not removing monotony. Not removing a system we don't like 'because it's not fun'. Not trying to lessen the cost of something because we don't want to buy it at the price it's at. Because there are some people who want to enjoy this game who have different challenges that others.

It's why modern videogaming has started to cater to colorblind people. It's not their fault they have a different way of seeing. And it's not my fault I have an auto-immune disorder that causes my body to attack my joints. This is not a hardcore FPS action game. It's a browser clicker with wolves.

I don't care how the Devs decide to make it easier for myself and others who have a difficult time with feeding/playing. So long as they do. Which by the fact they have left this topic open tells me they care to consider it. It could have gotten a hard no and put on the list of topics not allowed.

If we're comparing LD vs WD, I want to point out one thing.

On LD, a food or toy item gives varying amounts of mood and hunger, and loss of mood is tied to your king's personality. You can easily do what I did and feed/play with your lions every 3-4 days, providing you had a neutral personality and carcasses that fill 60% hunger. Feeding a pride every 3 days is the same number of clicks as feeding a pride smaller meals every day.

On WD every item use gives 10%, no matter what the item actually is. If you wait a few days to feed your wolves you have to click far more than if you feed them every day. For a pack of 10, feeding is a minimum of 13 total clicks (a 20 use carcass from your hoard) if you do it each day, but no matter what you do the next day becomes a minimum of 14. Not taking into account how it's much harder to get large carcasses, meaning that you may be clicking through multiple 4-8 use food items in a stack. It's easy to get overwhelmed if you fall behind.

The FA/PA on WD literally makes it so that you can feed once every few days like on LD. It means a player could still see litters born, or enjoy having a very casual day engaging with the community if they weren't at 100%. I would support even having two seperate and expensive tools, a Feed All and a Play All, as long as it was a one time purchase

I highly agree with this. As my pack grows I can see this becoming a huge issue for me motivation-wise to stay on the site. I understand the dev's need a way to earn money, but coming from games like Flight Rising I was pretty surprised to find that this was locked behind a paywall and it was not a permanent purchase. I can see myself becoming burnt out in the future if my pack grows larger. 

I really resonate with what @UnheardSiren says above, stating about another site with a similar 'monotonous' task, "but unlike WD I don't have to do this and can still access the rest of the site without risking multiple bad days causing my wolves to run", which is really the whole point I think. It's not that it's bad on its own, it's that it's required gameplay, and some people will struggle with this.

I especially think taking into consideration what @vagueshapes mentions about the food percentages is important. On Lioden there apparently are carcasses that feed more than 10%, while here it's a fixed rate, so each day missed makes the work immediately increase.

I agree with what others have said, where I would support, at the very least, a permanent purchase option. I think reading over what everyone has said on this thread is really important and gives a good grab bag of feedback, and I'm actually incredibly happy to see that others are struggling a bit with this as well. I just can't see myself keeping up the motivation long-term if my pack grows to a large size. 

I support a one-time payment, just like pup stages. I can understand why it's a monthly subscription - to healthy players, feed all/play all is a convenience, but not required.  However, but for other players, it can be very difficult to spend time feed and playing with your wolves every day.  

I think a one-time payment (maybe a bit higher in cost than pup stages) would strike a good balance between making money for the site and supporting availability to all players. 

I really get where you're coming from. On lioden Feed All / Play all is a must for me simply because it's too draining on "bad days" to do it manually. But it's actually easier to take care of your pack on Wolvden. 

I'm not really sure if there's a good compromise, but I know if "Play All "was free it'd eliminate a good chunk of my SC I make by trading because I always trade away extra toys. 

@Chibiterasu

It wouldn't take away your extra toys? People still need to have the necessary food and toys in their inventory to use FAPA, so you'd still be able to sell extras.

@Chibiterasu - That's not how Feed All / Play All works. All it does is add buttons at the bottom of your den page so you can feed and play with all your wolves. Many clicks go down to a whopping 2 clicks, basically. It does not give you food or toys, it simply uses what you have in your hoard.

There is a 365 day / yearly Feed All/Play All option in the grove for 120 GC (so 10 GC / mo, which imo is fair) but that is still quite the grind to save up if you're not a very lucky player or your playstyle is not a super profitable one. You still have to put in the time, which not everyone will have for various reasons, and it still expires eventually, which is a little souring.

I completely support this!!! As someone who's disabled... yikes there's not a lot of stuff out there that's friendlier for us. It would be a nice change of pace to have that changed. Sometimes its like we're completely forgotten in general and it sucks. I've put a lot into this game, I ADORE IT, but I can already see myself getting burnt out due to how tedious it gets just to care for your pack.

Not to mention if you have pups and don't feed/amuse the adults taking care of them, you get penalties for it. Pups can get injured or die on rollover, or risk it any other rollover, before the survival bar is full again. There's been days where I simply don't want to waste time feeding and amusing my entire pack and got penalties as a result. Very discouraging for a disabled player.

EDIT: Should also add that if they DO choose to make feed/play all free, or otherwise gain a variety of options to get it that doesn't require spending money, players should be able to choose whether they want to be compensated for the GC they spent (aka getting some back) or not. This would apply to the amount of days that are left. If anyone has better ideas feel free to add to this~