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Feedback Request: Traveling Wolves

Posted 2022-10-14 15:57:12
And maybe a tab or something for them to manage their traveling wolves, like maybe when the wolves are at a certain age out traveling, they may want to turn on breeding so they can just do it in the tab instead of having to grab the wolf back, that is if they don't mind who breeds them, this can also add a button for the retrieve traveling wolves. basically, an area where people can manage the specific rules they may want to have for their travelers, without the stress of trust too much

AlphaSnowSong
#3848

Posted 2022-10-14 15:58:31 (edited)
To be clear, I am fine with Traveling Wolves being a feature. I might even send one out myself or host one. I'm just of the train of thought that:

1. Other Development of the game needs to come first. Mostly the features promises already promised - skill trees, more minigames, personality update, enclave shop update, nesting pose, clan/group update, etc. (Also it's been 2 years since we've had a new mutation and that would be nice but isn't the point.
2. It should be a lore/roleplaying feature. Which means I don't support breeding, additional roles, or anything that may overcomplicate the feature.

Other Suggestions I really like (Because I don't like being negative all the time!)
1. A toggle to opt out of using the Traveling Wolf Feature
2. A banner at the top of the page warning they are travelling wolves
3. A unique chat / forum board so they are removed from the giveaway channel (since you can't keep them)
4. Traveling Wolves gain a small amount of exp each night that they spend in a den different from their own (like a pupsitter)

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-10-14 16:02:11
Wait whens the update coming tho? I checked nothng that says traveling on my wolves, sorry I'm new
Cat
#83398

Posted 2022-10-14 16:06:55
The first post says it's not out yet
WolfFox 🐺 🦊
#66302

Posted 2022-10-14 16:11:19
I just don't feel like people are listening to the other side of the argument. I get it. It would be really really cool to breed the traveling wolves, but I'd love to see some actual arguments for WHY they should breed, because at the moment, there are many reasons why they shouldn't breed, and few why they can.

Please. If you have a reason to breed the wolves I dont have listed below, id LOVE to hear. I mean this with the best intentions <3

Reasons to breed traveling wolves:
-Additional Lore
-People want to breed them
-Could produce some cool puppies

Reasons to not breed traveling wolves:
-People can't agree on who the pups belong to
-Both sides will be disapointed whichever side is chosen, because both sides spend resources / currency on the wolf and then creating the pups. I can see both sides of the owner/host argument
-Would take some real balancing and fleshing out to work
a. If wolves are frozen in the home while they're pregnant weaning, what happens if the account goes inactive?
b. Removing the pups and making them wean if the wolf is called back could cause a lot of issues in the game. The only comparible feature is puppies being aged into alpha, and that costs 20-45 GC to do. That's how it was balanced out.
c. What if someone agrees "you can keep 1 puppy" and goes back on their word?
d. In the case of breeding, female wolves will be more popular as traveling wolves as they can be bred, while wolves are not
e. What if people use this feature to get around block lists?
f. What if someone inbreeds a pup that the owner didn't want inbred?
g. What if people use this as a way to bypass stud fees?
h. Will people be allowed hold raffles to allow a "chance" to breed with the traveler? Or pay to host a traveler?
-All of these things along would add a lot of work and fleshing
-Better wolves would be more valuable to hosts, which means "lesser/potato" wolves would be hosted far less often (Not fairer to newer players)
-This would probably increase the amount of modbox work, which goes against the point
-It can cause bribery, increase begging, and add pressure to users with "fancier" wolves
-It could cause pressure to people who don't want to make traveling wolves, but have really special genes/markings/bases and people bug them about it

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-10-14 16:15:35
Having toggleable options doesn't really address the mentioned issues. (Not including the toggle to opt out of travelers altogether.) Having a toggle for breeding can still lead to someone yoinking the pups and lead to unprotected promised transactions, a toggle for roles can lead to really weird questions of how recall would work and whether the wolf would be capable of even keeping that role when going home or if it would be put on cooldown. That's only a few of the potential problems that can branch out, I can't be bothered to list them all. (Plenty of other posts already have.)

The more parts added to this feature, the more questions it brings up. There are so many What If's here, it's a lot of extra complications and risks for something that is being considered to reduce mod-boxed concerns.

(Also, on the main post there's already a mention of a log for every traveling wolf that comes and goes for players to use. An extra page along those lines sounds pretty redundant.)

Whirligig (Active: Event)
#11137

Posted 2022-10-14 16:18:27
@Slothie

Seems you hit some of my points right on the nail of the head.

Are we really out to continue allowing wolves, mostly females, to be turned to travelers just for the sake it's a free wolf, to get across to doing breedings/roles/etc., even though there's a mass amount of wolves in the Trading Center, Chatter forums, and even Giveaway Chat that are cheap and/or free for the taking.

Why does it have to be specifically travelers people are "begging" (harsh word but in this case, it feels necessary) to breed to when there's so many choices on the site outside of this simplistic chatter game?

💐[Kim] Lil' Bud🌹
#13734

Posted 2022-10-14 16:51:04
I personally would like breeding, I would also like the toggle for it too. I get the whole ownership puppy issue, but if let's say I have the breeding toggle on, that would mean by the way I think of it that anyone who has the wolf currently may breed them by choice as by toggling it, I have chosen to allow it, and since THEY were the ones who paid for the breeding or bred with their own stud, the pups are theirs, as the pups were conceived within their pack, if I want to breed my traveler but she's out of my hands, I would keep the toggle off and either wait till I can have her back, or if it's there use the retrieve traveler button. I think it should be up to the original owner for who can breed them or not, but if we go by words alone of course there's going to be major problems as its trust based, but if there's a toggle then it relies entirely on the owner. people hosting the traveler mad they can't breed? well to bad it's not yours to keep and make choices on whether you want what the original owner wants or not. I want a traveler system so that the travelers are protected but enjoyed.

As for "where would the puppies go?" question. If pups are conceived and born in a host's pack, they stay there. Moms gone? Then have another female in the pack be a surrogate/adoptive mother and take care of the pups, whether the mother be picked at random or given a choice by the player I don't mind. If the mother is taken away before pups are born, I can understand the issue with supposably sending them back. My idea though I can understand not everyone would like it, is that the mother stays with the host until pups are born. once pups are born, they may be moved to another mother and the traveler can be returned home. Again, I can see issues with that so the other option I can think at the moment is that the Owner can take both mother and pups (only unborn) and keep the pups if the person is inactive for let's say 2-3 days? as if there is a timer for how long you can be inactive with the traveler.

Now mind you these are just some Idea's I have for possibly allowing breeding, I would PREFER breeding, whether for lore or just for fun to see what others get. But I can also see and understand the issues with trying to keep it fair. and sorry if it's a mess, I'm tired and hungry and don't feel like cleaning up my words even if it backfires on me

AlphaSnowSong
#3848

Posted 2022-10-14 16:56:44
@AlphaSnowSong Nah you're cool. I'm not trying to trick anyone or anything. In the end, it'll be up to the admins. For all we know, they are set in stone on some things. All we can do at this point is wait and see what happens.

Slothie
#2938

Posted 2022-10-14 17:16:01
This is a great idea! I might actually participate in the game if this feature is added.
Lindy Moon 🍁
#62306