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Holiday-based explore encounters + items

Posted 2022-07-19 19:06:56
Mmm... I think I support this to a point. I don't like the Fourth of July suggestion, because I like the way this game remains natural and separated from humans. I suppose there are backgrounds like Overgrown Car and Sleeping Giant, but those tend to be like... retaken by nature. Fireworks gives the idea that humans are nearby.

I do really love the Father's Day and Mother's Day suggestions though. I'll support it for that reason.

Rippleskip
#53693

Posted 2022-07-20 14:51:16 (edited)
I'm on the fence about this for a couple of reasons:
I thought your suggestion about Mother's and Father's day was cute, but I'm concerned the added explore text with no tangible effect would just be a waste of energy. Especially if you've seen it a lot, it becomes another layer of text to skip past that doesn't do anything for you. An item or an energy boost when you see them would fix this, even if they're not themed to the holiday!
I'm also concerned about alienating or hurting people who don't have a good relationship with their parents, or whose parents are deceased. It would just be another painful reminder, and another reason to avoid the internet for those days.

Why only holidays celebrated in the United States? Don't you think that's a weird choice for a game that has so many international players? Even with your reasoning that the game takes place in North America, there are still plenty of first and second generation Americans, people visiting for school or work, people with strong cultural ties to their heritage, etc, that celebrate their cultural holidays while in North America. You mention specifically "Chinese New Years", which was actually going to be MY example for a holiday that's very heavily celebrated in North America - the Lunar New Year is celebrated in almost every major city, and many small towns as well, even though it's not an American holiday.

I think it would break us out of the immersion of the game - we're playing as a wolf pack that has no contact with humans. There are no other references to humans, outside of some backgrounds, and we never feel the presence of humans while playing the game. Why would we acknowledge human holidays?

One holiday  I can think of that would make sense to include in a game about wild wolves is Valentine's day - it's near the beginning of spring, and would fit naturally into when animals are feeling their most romantic. I can definitely see some explore encounters based around that!
Another would be the winter and summer solstice - many cultures have celebrated and continue to celebrate these days. It's also something natural that the wolves would notice, not just an arbitrary day.
I'd also love to see some acknowledgement of Halloween because it's my favorite holiday, but I know that's just me being biased :P
But even then, I think these would work better as full fledged events rather than one day only added flavor text.

Ghost
#49933

Posted 2022-07-20 15:01:16
@ ghost

i agree with you. its weird for a suggestion for only holidays celebration in USA. wolvden is a site that has many internation players. 

i do like the father's day and mother's day idea. 

but the rest would make internation players feel left out. i don't think the wolvden dev team would want to make any internation players feel left out.

magicwhitewolf
#25645

Posted 2022-07-20 15:10:33 (edited)
I don't think including North American holidays is specifically wrong, but I do think others can be included without breaking the "this takes place in North America so that's all the wolves would see" idea. For example, the Lunar New Year is often also celebrated with firecrackers and fireworks, so wolves might take notice of that if they're close enough!

Ultimately I think this is a cute idea, and I'd love more encounters, but it would have to be implemented carefully to keep immersion and not alienate parts of the user-base. I'd also prefer many of these holidays to have larger events attached to them, though I know that's a bigger ask!

Ghost
#49933

Posted 2022-07-20 15:14:23
@ ghost

i wasn't trying to say including north american holidays is wrong  ; they should be included with holidays from other counteries.

sorry if my last post made it sound that way. 

i agree this idea would need to be added carefully and be sure to included internation users.

magicwhitewolf
#25645

Posted 2022-07-20 18:06:25 (edited)
Ghost #49933 Thamks for the worthwhile input! I updated my post accordingly since you gave a lot of good points on international holidays being celebrated as well - though I can't really add any specific ones without a bit of research I will keep that in mind. I did also update to include the holidays you mentioned (though I still need to come up with encounter themes for them) since you're definitely correct and those are all good logical ideas. I definitely see a lot of people would like to see all holidays represented so why not, lol?
On the subject of immersion I don't see a problem with it when we have blue wolves, magical items, spirits, and a whole second world. These wolves also already do celebrate Christmas with trees and wrapped gifts so imo it's not too far-fetched to add a nod to humans celebrating when the wolves don't even know what's going on. Naturally speaking wildlife is affected by our holiday celebrations so 🤷‍♀️
Not that it means much but this is also nothing in comparison to LD where lions celebrate easter, christmas, and I believe Halloween.

I would also like to note that the encounters would have some form of result or reward, of course! It only makes sense. I do think it'd be cool to see some unique event decor or items being tied to encounters - perhaps even something like Lioden's green base eventually though ofc I can't suggest anything like that quite yet because devs aren't taking base suggestions. To be honest the whole idea was a bit inspired by Lioden's clover event they have every St. Patricks day, lol! I'd love to see it grow to be a mini event like that but that seems like it'd be asking a lot and, again, devs are not taking suggestions for that kind of thing.
Lily (GH!)
#3016

Posted 2022-07-21 19:35:58
This is a random idea but what if brand new holidays were made specifically for Wolvden? While it's true Lioden has events that correspond with Christmas and Halloween there's still a strong detachment from humans if you ask me. Like iirc the Halloween event is less about Halloween and more about heaven and hell having a war that your lion gets to choose a side on with demonic lions and heavenly lions to boot but it still has that spooky energy because it's October and that's what the humans playing the game expect without it directly referencing humans. (Plus humans appear in Lioden so we know the prides live somewhere nearby human encampments so human holidays makes a tiny bit more sense) I know making up a holiday is work but the holiday specific storylines are my favorite part of Lioden and it would be cool to see Wolvden get something similar, storylines with aspects of a real life holiday like spooky for Halloween or gift giving and togetherness for Christmas.

Yami
#31503

Posted 2022-07-24 06:46:53 (edited)
I think it would be cool if the game created "wolf holidays" rather than focusing just on human holidays.
Quiet Voices
#1558

Posted 2022-08-24 23:00:43 (edited)
Honestly, the best course of action if you want holidays in WD would either have to be international ones(Aka ones celebrated in multiple places outside of one country/nation)Or do silly little gimmick ones like international ice cream day or ones being specifically wolf-orientated

The issue with holidays more specifically ones that are linked to a single country is that it'd be only that country getting represented while everyone else is left out, along with people who are unaware of the holiday being confused more-so on the lack of knowledge on said holiday, so it'd be awkward to celebrate let's say 4th of July, anyone outside of America more than likely wouldn't care or lack the knowledge on it...That can easily spiral into political territory, so it's either you represent everyone and do every single major holiday for each country/nation or..You don't do it at all, especially since researching such massive events can take a lot of time

For now, it's gonna leave me on the fence/No

🐸AngyFrog🐸
#3122

Posted 2022-08-29 04:49:06
Hmm, I'm half-supporting.

A lot of holidays are finicky in that not everyone follows the religion it's tied to (Christmas, that's why the gift-giving event is vague), and ones that are specifically tied to one country (Fourth of July), are a no go for me.

Simpler ones that can apply to anyone in any country, like father's/mother's day/valentines/sweetest day seem okay. I would love to have special days for the solstice's :>

Remmie
#8429

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