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Posted 2021-09-21 18:32:21 (edited) #527761 P Y R O P E S U R V E Y hello! my name is sylvie! and today i bring you a survey! recently, i traded a moonlight base app for two pyropes, g1 & g2. one of them is a pup, so i thought, why don't i make him my stud, as while my current stud azyrhmi is only a g3 t2? well, before replacing azy, I wanted to ask you folks of wolvden... If i were to put a G2, TIII pyrope stud with 7 markings and 500+ stats, would you stud with him? his price would probably be around 1/2 and 300+ ! I would say his max stats would be around 600. it could rise though. he would also have nice, matching decor! ----------- below would be the stud's basic design in question. this is subject to slight change at any time i see fit. but this is what he would mostly be looking like, to help solidate your opinions on this guy. EDIT ;; He will also possibly have lux eyes, and maybe moonlight markings when they come out! "> BASE INFO MARKING INFO Now you might be thinking, Sylvie, why are you just showing us a bunch of info on your future stud for no reason? ... well, there is a reason! in the comments of this thread, I want you to give your opinion on the stud, and if you would breed with him or not, it can be a long or short message, such as- "No, i wouldn't. I am not a fan of pyropes!". this is a completely fine response and is very helpful for me! be honest and true, i won't be hurt at all. when you send your message, ill try to send a herb( or herbs if your feedback was very helpful ) back asap, though i might take a little ( but you'll %100 get a herb ) ! sort of a gift, a token, for submitting your input! please lmk if there is one you want in particular, though I can't guarantee it. and thatsss it! TLDR; tell me if you would/wouldn't breed with the pyrope man, and why, get herb/herbs.	❄ Sylvie™ #9845

Posted 2021-09-21 18:32:21 (edited)

#527761

P Y R O P E S U R V E Y

hello! my name is sylvie! and today i bring you a survey! recently, i traded a moonlight base app for two pyropes, g1 & g2. one of them is a pup, so i thought, why don't i make him my stud, as while my current stud azyrhmi is only a g3 t2? well, before replacing azy, I wanted to ask you folks of wolvden...

If i were to put a G2, TIII pyrope stud with 7 markings and 500+ stats, would you stud with him? his price would probably be around 1/2 and 300+ !

I would say his max stats would be around 600. it could rise though. he would also have nice, matching decor!

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below would be the stud's basic design in question. this is subject to slight change at any time i see fit. but this is what he would mostly be looking like, to help solidate your opinions on this guy.

EDIT ;; He will also possibly have lux eyes, and maybe moonlight markings when they come out!

BASE INFO

MARKING INFO

Now you might be thinking, Sylvie, why are you just showing us a bunch of info on your future stud for no reason? ... well, there is a reason! in the comments of this thread, I want you to give your opinion on the stud, and if you would breed with him or not, it can be a long or short message, such as- "No, i wouldn't. I am not a fan of pyropes!". this is a completely fine response and is very helpful for me! be honest and true, i won't be hurt at all.

when you send your message, ill try to send a herb( or herbs if your feedback was very helpful ) back asap, though i might take a little ( but you'll %100 get a herb ) ! sort of a gift, a token, for submitting your input! please lmk if there is one you want in particular, though I can't guarantee it.

and thatsss it! TLDR; tell me if you would/wouldn't breed with the pyrope man, and why, get herb/herbs.

❄ Sylvie™
#9845

Posted 2021-09-21 18:43:01

#527765

Well, as of right now, no. I do not own any lower generation pyropes and if I did, it would most likely be with G1. That's just my preference. For members starting off with Tier III breeding though, your prices are fair. Due to this, you're more than likely to get some studdings. I think your chances are more likely to be improved with exclusive markings and higher stats than 600. If you could show the wardrobe link to your wolf's planned look, that might help the general populace's opinion also! As of right now, there's no way to tell what markings are present unless you're familiar with them.

Orion
#6210

Posted 2021-09-21 19:06:35

#527780

Alright, thank you for your input! it is very helpful and will be taken into consideration when i make my final choice about studding. i added more info to the post about what his marks and base info would look like!! what two herbs would you like, orion?

❄ Sylvie™
#9845

Posted 2021-09-21 19:11:18

#527783

The additions look great! <3 I look forward to seeing them put up if you decide to.

Whatever herbs you're willing to spare. I don't mind!

Orion
#6210

Posted 2021-09-21 21:25:35

#527864

I'd stud to him! I love warm darks and don't have many of them right now, but I hope to get more in the future.

The design you showed in your screenshot is beautiful. The way that lovely pyrope purpley-red blends with the cream colors is just *chef kiss*. That being said, I'd definitely try to add more markings, especially if you can spare the GC to play with RMAs and try for special markings (inuit/tamaskan unders, merle, lupos, etc. etc.). That might draw more potential customers to you rather than having all basic markings. I personally look for those types of markings myself when choosing a stud.

I did some creepin' on your page and found the pup (he's beautiful btw). He's got great starting stats. Do you think you'll "specialize" him in a specific stat? Or just try to give him an even build across the board (i.e., strength, speed, agility, smarts, and wisdom all about the same)? Specializing him for a particular role might appeal more to the stat breeder crowd, which is always good. Makes him a lot more valuable too, even as a G2, if you can climb the ranks and become one of the top studs for a particular stat role. I have a gen 2 stud and I charge more than a lot of the gen 1s of his base just because his stats are worth it. I think stats, more than base or markings, make for the most valuable studs (100% my own opinion), and it's definitely a deciding factor for me when I'm breeding a litter I really care about.

With his starting stats in the 330s -- or quite a bit higher, if you do pup and adolescent training with him -- his stats at level 20 will likely be well over 600, just fyi.

Anyway, sorry this got so long!! I didn't mean to write you a book LOL. TL;DR: Yes, I'd definitely consider studding to your boy, and I think he'd be a great addition to the warm dark T3 stud pool. :)

Redbirds
#38155

Posted 2021-09-21 21:37:03

#527865

I don't have a lot of warm dark wolves, but Pyrope is a pretty base on its own! I'd like to have a Pyrope in my pack. Honestly, unless I'm breeding a NBW (in which case I usually look for a NBW stud), Gen 2 studs are ideal, since they can reach much higher stats than a Gen 1 stud. I would recommend specializing like Redbirds said, it might give your stud an edge over a comparable Gen 2 Pyrope stud.

But TL;DR, I would consider studding to your Pyrope boy if I found a good match for him :)

Food?
#20022

Posted 2021-09-21 21:55:12 (edited)

#527878

I probably wouldn't stud to him, but that is because I'm trying to slim my pack down to mainly hunters and I live in the Tundra so I need high stat wolves to not starve (and high stat to me is like.... 300 in each relevant stat as a Level 20 adult, at least). I also have my own G2 Pyrope soon-to-be-stud.

However! I think he is good stud material. Potentially great stud material. Huge plus that the father isn't one of the popular Warm Dark III studs (Dredd, Hemlock, etc). Potential downside is that one of the mother's pups from a former litter is a G2 stud, but that stud doesn't have many pups either and that stud's father isn't a huge name either. But your boy would absolutely be the sort of thing I was looking for when I was trying for my G2 boy :) I ended up breeding my NBW Pyrope female to a G1 Pyrope stud instead of a G2 just because all of the G2s had lower stats or were related to the Big Pyrope Names.

I really love the design you have pictured too. While my boy's design is very black-and-white oomph, I can really appreciate the softer tones that will honestly probably turn out more consistent and better pups. The black of my stud's design can look a bit harsh on lighter bases, especially if you're not into that sort of thing. For reference, this is my G2 Pyrope stud's future look, so we will have zero competition because the designs are so vastly different and suit very different tastes.

I agree with pretty much everything Redbirds said too. I personally don't care about marking rarity that much and prefer a well-designed wolf to a rare-marking-heavy one (and I strongly dislike merle and Inuit unders) but I know a lot of people do. I would definitely specialize his stats for us stat people, since that's absolutely something I looked for when breeding my Pyrope and most of my other wolves, even my pupsitters. Absolutely pup train with high-stat wolves doing the lessons to get max pup training stats. With his stats (looked at him in your den), he would make a good Chaser or Stalker. My dude is 100% Finisher so, again, no overlap there.

:( Sorry this got so long too. But I'll add a TL;DR here too: I might stud him to my pupsitters because I am a stat person but I also think he would be a valuable addition! I'd also price him a bit higher too, especially as his stats raise.

Xeva
#16394

Posted 2021-09-21 23:14:05

#527893

I have to agree with the others before, with my own gen2 wolves growing up and starting to take over their parents hunting roles, a g2 Pyrope would be amazing, if he had clear role stats and was properly trained. And in stat wolves I do not care for markings, stats only.

Max stats of 600 sounds to much like a gen1 tho, so he won't really bring the stats a pup born with high stats could bring.

Now I would probably use him for my color project once my own Pyrope Stud gets circled out for a stat stud again. There 4 do care a bit about markings but normally use every affordable Pyrope Stud a few times.

wormdelivre
#42154

Posted 2021-09-21 23:23:53

#527897

I personally would stud to a G2 pyrope, but not the one you are offering. I like there to be decently high stats and for a G2 600 stats is... not the greatest. Reading through other responses, he does have potential to have really good stats if leveled and specialised to a role correctly (if he has 330 stats, thats a min of 748 stats excluding plus ones at level 20). I also like for there to be more, and rarer marks on a wolf I stud to. With other higher/better marked and potentially better statted G2 pyropes on the market yours would honestly not be a go to choice.

Breezy [Hiatus]
#4307

Posted 2021-09-21 23:41:20

#527900

I wouldn't stud to a 600-stat wolf because I value stats too much. But you can definitely go higher than that. I checked your den. 331 base stats + 63 stats from pup training + 12 stats from adolescent training = 406 stats on aging up. In my experience, scouts typically gain around 480 stats in getting to max level, and once he's max level it won't take long to bump him up to 900 via hunting. 900 stats for a g2 stud is pretty solid.

Lineage-wise, he's good. I like g2/g3 studs the best because they typically have higher stats than NBWs but it's easy to find ones that are entirely unrelated to my pack. Design-wise, he's a cute lad and I like that his marks accentuate the base instead of hiding it. Lack of lunar event marks is a downside though. (I don't care about mark rarity, but blue is my favorite color and I kinda like blue on everything.)

As to whether I'd actually stud, it kind of depends on my pack composition once he hits level 20 - a lot of my pack members are old atm and I don't know how many warm dark 2 girls I'll have in the future. He'd definitely be a solid contender though!

Lionel
#34199

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