Breeding Terminology for Future Reference - A Proposal

So I decided not to use the term Clean or Dirty just because for me personally it gives off bad vibes. Dirty is just a negative term and clean just seems "too perfect/pretty."  That is how I feel about those terms and for me its black and white. I want some grays in there which is why I'm going to be using NIB, IB, OGP, etc. Since this isn't like LD, where in-breeding raises the mutation chances, I don't see the point in Line-bred here. Plus, I want to be more realistic because in the wild wolves don't breed with close relatives. Most animals don't. Also, its a fun challenge to do NIB and even have sub-category playstyles. 

I'm going to be using NIB/NLB with subgroups in it; OGL, OGP, OLL, OSL. These are terms that other players or myself have created. This is my terminology style. 

Everyone has their own style in this game and if you don't like there style then move on. You don't have to breed your wolf to their stud or buy one of their wolves. And don't go around saying that a certain breeding style may not be as popular/or going to last. Maybe to you it may not be interesting but to others they enjoy it! :) As leaf 🍃 (Lights ON) said, this is a game where people come to have fun and escape from the real world. :)

@Elliebird

Unless I am unaware of a LD mechanic, it's the opposite. On WD inbreeding has a higher chance (if you have a proven carrier or are testing for a hidden gene) here than on LD because of the way recessive mutations pass. LD they are all random except for primal/piebald (I have no idea about LD hybrids) which pass from a parent to a child. And inbreeding still doesn't help that.

If you are breeding for muties here and want to do it without inbreeding that is all well and good, but I hope you don't avoid it with a misunderstanding of mechanics. It's not like you can't get muties completely avoiding inbreeding. The first two on EA were not inbred after all.

You, like everyone else, should play how you enjoy and use what words sit well with you however. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the sim's mechanics.

I know that the guide on Genetics say that there is no evidence to support the claim that inbreeding by itself results in a higher chance of mutations. I can see why a lot of people may want to inbreed if they are certain that they have carrier pups. However, if the two carrier wolves were bred, if sibling, cousins, or parents etc, they will have 20% or less chance of having a mutated wolf which isn't very high. I think this goes with even non-related wolf breedings. Mutation chances will not be increased through inbreeding.

Linebreeding and inbreeding are two different things. Linebreeding is breeding a distant relative/ancestor (great grandfather, very distant cousin) over the subject, whereas inbreeding is more close (parent/child, siblings, etc).
So switching out inbreeding and linebreeding doesn't work

Linebreeding, as far as I'm aware can be closely related. It's when breeding for a desired trait, people will breed dogs (for example) to their relatives with similar features to reproduce the same look/abilities.

However, inbreeding and linebreeding aren't necessarily the same thing (inbreeding can be aimless, linebreeding has a goal) most players projects do actually fall under linebreeding, so the term can be used.

edit: Although most breeders avoid breeding animals with particularly close relatives, it would still be classed as linebreeding. 

I am a NIB but I’m LB all my pups to their dads for any potential carriers and such which will be hard since its such a low chance for anyone’s stud or male including mine to be carriers and such but ima try anyways at least for 3 or so liters to confirm if they are not carriers since I don’t ever keep or care about the first few liters of a wolfs life. There are exceptions I keep but I like to breed for stats so I usually like to care for the last few litters of the female I’m breeding cause I usually am leveling them up 

@UnheardSiren I do want to correct you that inbreeding does not give a higher chance at muties or carriers. If you breed together an albinism carrier mother with her albinism carrier son you have the exact same chances of producing an albino as if you breed together two unrelated albinism carriers. The "higher chances" you speak of are because you have proven carriers, not because they inbred. It only seems to favour inbreeding right now because we know so few carrier wolves, so they only proven option to create more albinos/melans are usually their parents. Replace albinism gene with e.g. Piebald (Scattered) and you get the exact same answer.

The same goes for bases. If you breed a Dinar mother with her Dinar, it might seem like you have a higher chance but it are the exact same odds if you breed to unrelated Dinar based wolves together. If inbreeding were a factor those should be higher for the mother/son pair. (And in that case, inbreeding would also have to have an affect on LD as well.)

@Kali // SiennaSnow

While I appreciate that you seem to be trying to be helpful Kali, I don't feel I need corrected. My post has this line 'On WD inbreeding has a higher chance (if you have a proven carrier or are testing for a hidden gene) here than on LD because of the way recessive mutations pass.' Which I do not feel is incorrect in any manner. The part in parentheses states the the inbreeding being effective is conditional. But in the same right I also stated that inbreeding was not needed as the sole method of doing so. Elliebird seemed to understand my point that inbreeding was a method of putting more likely carriers together not the method to obtain mutations.

Please in the future if you are going to reply to me I would appreciate you taking the time to make sure you have read my post completely so there are no misunderstandings. I would like to assume you simply misunderstood my point and I haven't taken any offense. I am also not trying to cause you offense, so please don't infer anything like that from my tone. Text is terrible for tone after all.

UnheardSiren and Kali I think it was just a misunderstanding, rather than a misreading.

By the looks of it Kali thought that by ''inbreeding has a higher chance'' you meant mechanically you have a higher chance (e.g a non related pair have a 10% chance of passing the gene on and a related pair have 10>%)

However, that is not what you meant. You meant that because genes can pass on to offspring from the parents that your chances would increase by trying to breed two possible hets, rather than two 'random'/unrelated wolves.

I just wanted to point that out as Kali may have misunderstood for a different reason than pointed out as without further context the post could  reasonably be interpreted either way.

(I may be entirely wrong about the interpretation but I thought it was worth pointing out, in case there was any confusion!)

Inbreeding does not increase your chances of getting mutations. I don't know how else to explain that in the post above or what Elliebird wrote earlier. The condition in your parenthesis does not affect that outcome which is why I tried to explain it through a different example.

Let's say you own a girl called "Bea" which you suspect is a melanism carrier. Breeding her to her father, a melanism carrier,gives you these odds: 10% Carrier, 10% Mutation, 80% Non Carrier (if she carries) OR 90% Non Carrier, 10% Carrier (if she doesn't).
Breeding her to another unrelated/G1 stud, also a proven melanism carrier, gives you these odds: 10% Carrier, 10% Mutation, 80% Non Carrier (if she carries)  OR 90% Non Carrier, 10% Carrier (if she doesn't).

It doesn't change.

Edit: xXDruidXx, yes, that is exactly what I was referring to.  I thought you were attributing your higher chances to the inbreeding and not the fact that they are proven carriers.