Breeding Terminology for Future Reference - A Proposal

I think it's probably because of the word dirty itself? So when I see it written it just gives off those vibes.

e.g

''Well my alpha isn't dirty! You can stud to him and keep your lines clean.''

Really it's just saying my wolf doesn't have any common ancestors so he can help with you breeding project, but it just doesn't come across that way, at least to me when reading it.

You wouldn't really see someone say yeah my alphas dirty, stud to him. So, it could be that that's throwing me off the terms more-so?

I just generally don’t like clean and dirty cause of the amount of negative vibes and clean being interpreted too many ways NIB and IB or Coi  and LB and such are more straight point Easy and simple Sounding but that’s  probably a opinion since all words can be associated with positive or negative terms depending the audience 

Inbreeding itself has a negative connotation for the average person - linebreeding sounds less off-putting, so IRL many breeders use it to avoid those sub-/conscious negative associations. Because no one can control how someone else views a term; intent isn't always transparent, and even when it is, Outcome > Intent. If someone's terminology choices provoke a negative outcome, they can't do much about it no matter whether they meant it to turn out that way or not.

Yeah totally agree with that

Yeah that makes sense ^-^

wow made my first block on WD, fun... ! 

Anyway, thanks for this thread- I really dislike the terms clean/dirty and especially the attitude i've been seeing generally (clean is "better" etc)... this is just fake wolf game, not real dogbreeding and especially not the same as irl human relationships lol. Especially for those wanting to breed mutes, inbreeding seems like the way to go since even with two proven carriers the chance of mutated offspring is still p low. It would be nice to not be looked down on for inbreeding virtual pets essentially.

I’ve been doing test breeding for the last couple of days, taking females back to their sires (with permission) to test for presence of recessive mutations. So far nothing, and I don’t expect much due to the low prevalence in the general population. I also bred a couple of litters to the melanistic stud and the albino carrier sire and I will hang onto those kids and see what happens with them in the future.

I chased the majority of the linebred offspring at birth. There are a couple still hanging out in my den that are cute and have really good stats, if they make it through winter, maybe someone will want to use them for something. They could honestly go and be a scout or a hunter somewhere and never breed, if a person doesn’t want to have linebreeding in their pack but needs a statted wolf to help with general duties and pack survival. There’s nothing that says any of those wolves ever have to have offspring. Though I don’t particularly care if they do, what happens to them once they leave my hands is entirely up to the person who owns them next. If no one wants them, they can get chased as well. Maybe in a few days we’ll  find out LOL

So yeah, I’m going with linebred for right now. Eventually people will start to understand what the term means, in a couple of months maybe it won’t be a big deal at all.

''realistically'' if you had 10 pups from the melanistic stud you'd have one with the recessive melanism.

However, knowing which one would be very difficult to find out.

The easiest way would be to breed all of those pups back to the melanistic carrier stud and get 10 pups from each. Out of those pups pups, 1/100 would be 'the one'.

However, you may not even have a carrier out of those OG 10, so I'd probably breed 20 from him, then breed those until they have 10 or so pups each. Out of that you ''should'' get two melanistic pups and almost certainly some carriers.

So someone/some group is going to have to be willing to hang on to a looot of random pups XD or get real lucky. The way you're breeding them does seem exactly like linebreeding so I'd call them LB :D

What are you basing your math on, Druid? A pass rate of what? 10% odds per pup?  I’m trying to back calculate.  With RNG Realistically I could breed 10 pups and have zero with the mutation, too, lol.

If one parent is a carrier they have a 10% chance of passing it onto their pup, 90% they won't.

If two parents are carriers, there's a 10% chance of a pup being a carrier, 10% chance it will be melanistic, 80% it'll be regular.

''From the Grouse House Guide:

Non Carrier x Carrier = 90% Non Carrier, 10% Carrier,

Carrier x Carrier = 10% Carrier, 10% Mutation, 80% Non Carrier''.

So we know the stud is a melanism carrier right?

So lets assume all of your females are not.

That means each of their pups has a 10% chance of being a carrier. (1/10) Let's assume that one is  a carrier. But of course you don't know which one, so you have to breed them all.

Now if you bred all of those pups back to the melanistic carrier stud, to get that melanistic pup, you'd have to get 10 pups from each, to again get that 1/10 pup, but this time they won't be a carrier they will be melanistic. (You could actually look for an unrelated melanistic carrier stud, if there is another and then there wouldn't even be inbreeding?)

So if you bred each pup (10 pups, 1/10 is the carrier, but we dont know who) 10 times, to ''guarantee'' we get that 10% chance pup then you'd end up with 100 pups

10(mothers)x10(pups each)=100, one of which would be melanistic and 10 would be carriers.'

Although this is assuming the numbers were perfect and exact, which they're not XD So it could take a couple of lucky tries, it could take a thousand.