Remove Combo Markings from RMA's

Posted 2021-08-13 17:39:02

#506111

I feel like a lot of people are missing the point and really only thinking short term. In a game designed to be a breeding sim, what's the point in breeding if you can just drop $50 and get the marks you want (50 is just a random number I thought of). Even with the new raffle stud, he's got a rare combo mark and now the value (and worthiness of breeding for it) is going to drop exponentially. Sure you can think about your current stud and how you dropped 100 rmas to make him special, but in 6 months? a year? he won't be special and you'll be lucky to be one of hundreds of studs to have those marks. There will be NOTHING worth breeding for. Combo marks? no. Bases? no. There will be nothing.

Endermiss
#2382

Posted 2021-08-13 18:33:46

#506124

Big support. It's completely meaningless to spend so much in terms of GC for a good stud to gopefully get a combo marking when you could just.... wait a little and get it from an RMA. It's extremely dishesrtening and takes away a lot of thr thrill behind valuable studs. Even if it will lose its value in let's say a few months or something, it's still better than waiting a week or twwo until all of your work is completely discredited.

I am extremely hesitsnt kn breeding in my pack other than Lapland for stats and with my low stats project because of this. Nothing is valuable anymore jnless your wolf has the new hot marks or base for a week and then fhe value just... drops. All and all, just a really bad practice.

Sinxerely | Slava Ukraini
#26651

Posted 2021-08-15 00:36:35

#506487

I'm no supporting, and my reasoning is that... as more markings get added to RMAs, combo markings will be much harder to get from them, which will increase the need to just simply breed it and RMAs will be more of a gamble.

AFAIK markings in RMAs are divided by rarity/tier and then by marking, so the addition of, say, 5 new markings that you can get from the customizer won't decrease your chance of getting (for example) tamaskan/inuit because they're in a different tier.

unsknown
#21142

Posted 2021-08-16 21:53:04

#507272

Support!

I agree that this game needs to put some value back into breeding. Long lineage wolves have plummeted in value. There absolutely should be some marks left out of RMAs in order to keep the value of breeding and genetics intact.

Moorish
#24887

Posted 2021-08-26 14:07:32

#512405

Support this and support future studs not having combo raffle marks on them. As of this point in time there isn't a ton to breed for, so keeping rare marks rare (or at the very least difficult to obtain) would be much appreciated. It also seems like it's harder to get certain recipes than it is to get marks/bases/non-lethal mutations when it should be the other way around! Wolf aesthetics should be the main challenge of the game.

CaliforniaDreamin'
#2586

Posted 2021-10-05 15:01:52

#536432

Mostly support, however I think the current combo marks should stay in RMAs with no more ever being added.

Largely disappointed that what I thought would be a "realistic" wolf breeding game ended up being another customize this and that. I do love being able to customize, but I feel it should only be for personal projects and aesthetics etc. and absolutely not a way to get supposedly rare and hard to breed for genes. Especially with lunar event there's a lot of emphasis on customizing when I thought it would be catered more towards breeding.

Redpineapple1
#1250

Posted 2021-10-06 15:54:10

#536969

I think there needs to be an overall rehaul done on what is "breed only" and what is not when it comes to markings.
Currently the only things that are truly breed only are het eyes (raffle eyes I guess?) and bases. This all excludes chased wolves of course, as that still comes from original breeding.

I have seen a LOT of cases lately where people are RMAing breed only marks onto their wolves. And NBW-only marks are also RMA-able.

This would also bring me to the topic of making 1 star wolves less common and a little more valuable because currently they're not even worth befriending...but that's another topic lol.

There's already very little value to higher gen wolves and it can't be purely because "I don't want inbreeding" - it's stupid easy to avoid inbreeding with a 3rd gen wolf yet they're worth a fraction of a 2nd gen.

I fully support this, and also support removing things like raffle marks and event marks from RMAs too. What's the point of a raffle stud, with limited slots and limited chances to get that marking, if people can get them from RMAs too? Sterling wings wasn't even properly introduced before someone RMA'd it onto their wolf by pure luck.

Sɪʟᴀ
#37396

Posted 2021-10-08 14:47:21

#537990

I agree with a lot of the reasoning here on why the marks shouldnt be on RMAs, however I cannot agree with the idea of removing them. If combo marks were a new upcoming feature and the debate was about I'd say keep them off the RMA based on the reasoning present in this thread, however they've already existed like this for over a year. Retiring the marks from the RMA wont really do too much good for the market, since its already flooded with them, at least not for a long time. But what it will do is take things away from newer players or the people who haven't gotten to dabble in them yet.

I'd also like to mention on the combo rates that getting a combo mark isn't too difficult, but getting the combo mark you want will likely cost you a fortune.

But again, I agree more breeding incentive would be nice, so I would propose a couple of different solutions here instead:
1) a new kind of breeding-based mark similar to combo that you can't get on the RMA, or at least colors/shapes you cant get on RMA
2) Reducing the rate of combo marks from RMA as mentioned in a few posts here
3) Slowly retiring them over time, one by one with warning so that players get a last chance to make use of RMAs before they become actually breed only. This can be done and no future combos be added to RMA, or with each mark having a portion of time on RMA before being retired.

SyntheticHumor🍁TaNOOKi
#872

Posted 2021-10-08 15:05:03 (edited)

#537996

After initially being against this suggestion, I have since come around to it. Combo markings are such an interesting premise which I feel has a lot of potential in the future. However, part of their appeal is that you (ideally) have to work for them. It is something you need to plan and put a lot of effort into choosing the two breeding wolves. Letting combo markings appear from RMAs skips a lot of time and effort and just turns the combo markings into any other breed only marking.

I would support the removal of combo markings from the RMA (and a further expansion into combo markings - e.g make dark brown a parent to a combo colour), though this would obviously need to be forewarned. For instance, a News Post that would give two weeks notice before the markings are removed. However, in exchange, a new set of markings which would only be acquired from the RMA should be introduced to balance it out (with maybe these markings being capable of producing combo variants in breedings).

I believe that the combo system could be more engaging in the long run if more of these markings have to be purposefully bred rather than randomly gained. Indeed, I argue that removing combo markings from the RMA will be better in the long run, if controversial in the short term.

Blue Pigeon
#15038

Posted 2021-10-09 19:35:33 (edited)

#538498

I support for reasons others have already discussed, but also I feel it's relevant to know, are the odds of RMAs public? I wouldn't know because I haven't used any, but for context Lioden discloses the odds everytime you go to use an RMA (screencap) so everyone knows the exact chance of getting a marking from any particular category. Of course WD shouldn't be a LD clone, and the marking mechanics work differently for each site anyway, but my point is, perhaps the chance of getting a BO marking is too high. Like, a 0.1% chance (1 in 1000) might not cause a huge problem, but a 5% chance (1 in 20) definitely would. Even a 1% chance (1 in 100) might be too high when you consider whales who use hundreds upon hundreds of RMAs on their high-value studs (who then often proceed to father hundreds if not thousands of pups, making the markings so common as to be practically worthless within a very short time span).

So if that's the case, then even simply lowering the odds would probably help to maintain the intended rarity of the markings. As for the argument that markings should be truly breed-only to reflect the effort nature of a breeding game, I don't disagree, but I'm not sure if the developers would agree, so at the very least reducing the odds to get BO marks from RMAs would be better than nothing.

Edit: I thought I might add, the irony of me saying this whilst having a merle stud is not lost on me. If I recall correctly, merles were originally intended to be exclusive to raffle studs, but thanks to RMAs and mass-breeding they became ridiculously common long before raffles were even implemented. I bought my boy last December, only 2 months after the game's launch, for only 50 SC. The value has continued declining since then, to the point I even see merle pups abandoned at the enclave. I love my boy, but something is clearly very wrong with this system.

Fern
#21245

Remove Combo Markings from RMA's

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