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What is a "dirty wolf"?

What is a "dirty wolf"?
Posted 2020-11-10 20:39:05

I'm new to Wolvden and I've seen the term "dirty wolf" thrown around a little.

Ex: "I'd like to trade these herbs. I don't want any dirty wolves in exchange." 

Is this just a wolf with ugly markings? Or one with dirt-colored (aka brown) markings? Thanks to anyone who can clear this up for me! 

Sky
#25753

Posted 2020-11-10 21:32:46

"Dirty" is a term from Lioden that means inbred (or related to Big 4 on Lioden.) You may have also seen NIB/IB, which mean Not Inbred/Inbred.


{glass}
#2667

Posted 2020-11-10 21:34:31

Yep, an inbred

SilverMoon
#2140

Posted 2020-11-10 22:06:40

Wow thats... a pretty mean thing to name something. Especially since I'd hazard a guess a lot of people on here own or want to own a pet.


Charon
#8683

Posted 2020-11-10 23:01:37

I'm.. not sure what that has to do with owning a pet #8683, but if it helps, it's not meant to be a rude term.

When an animal on a game like this has absolute no inbreeding (been bred back to mother/father/aunt/brother/etc) in their family, their line is "cleaner" genetically.

The term "clean" came first, and naturally the reverse of that is "dirty" ie: if you're not breeding clean wolves, you're breeding dirty wolves. I think people just prefer to say 'dirty' rather then go as formal as inbreeding or as out there as even just incest. 


RelevantKoala
#15056

Posted 2020-11-10 23:49:16

I just meant because all pets are inbreed. Seems strange that people would be okay with inbreeding RL and be using negative terms for it ingame.

Thanks fro telling me about the clean/dirty thing. Still the terms do not agree with me. But I can see where they come from.


Charon
#8683

Posted 2020-11-10 23:59:14

Idk when I think of inbreeding I don't think of the low % of inbreeding that's present in our household pets. Yes, purebred dogs were inbred for quite a while to try and maintain the breed but nowadays even kennel clubs are starting to realize that the closer a dog is inbred the more likely it is to get sick. I think if we say, fast forward 10+ years in Wolvden and we're all kicking around with wolves that 50 generations ago, their mother was inbred with her brother, that those lines won't necessarily be called 'dirty' because by that point the gene pool has spread more.

I personally think it's *way* different to refer to a wolf who's father is also it's uncle as 'dirty' then to refer to my dog who I know hasn't had a single instance of inbreeding in generations as 'dirty'. But generally people aren't okay with inbreeding IRL either. There are huge stigmas on humans having relationships with their close family, as well as all the dog owners I know wouldn't dream of purchasing a dog who has close family inbreeding in recent generations. With Wolvden I'd think it's a little different, because we're so early that all inbreeding is close family inbreeding, it's not a wolf breeding with it's 8th cousin three times removed, it's almost always siblings/parents/etc. 


RelevantKoala
#15056

Posted 2020-11-11 00:12:59

They still do it though - that is how they make new breeds. They basically do all the things they always did and its just accepted to get the "desirable traits" until you have a base big enough that crossing in fresh blood doesn't "destroy" these traits again. Yes if you get a pug now it is not necessarily inbreed in the last 10 generations or so. But it is still based in the practice of inbreeding to get the traits you want. So when we do the same stuff here - where there are absolutely no censequences (as of yet) then people seemed to react more badly to it than when thinking of their own dogs who are litterally just serverly inbreed wolves anyway. Some more recently inbreed than others.


Charon
#8683

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