Breeding Terminology for Future Reference - A Proposal

I highly suspect that the reason the "no inbreeding" portion of CLB took a frontseat to the no big 4 bit was precisely because that incest counter was added (since in essence it was Staff acknowledging the playstyle officially). Like I said, incest and inbreeding has implicit negative connotations pretty much everywhere. I wouldn't mind if WD added a feature that let you track inbreeding, but it should definitely be something that you can toggle on and off.

there is definitely no issue with using terms that IRL breeders use! just keep in mind that some of us are going to be blinking at the screen like: "COI... is that a type of fish?" ;D lol

edit: ^^^^^ oh i like that idea, being able to turn it off and on. 

Yeah and humans are the ones playing and interpreting the game. The incest counter on LD, for instance, pretty much spotlighted if a lion was inbred 1 or 2 or 15 times. These lions were generally avoided unless you didn't care about such things, because incest is icky regardless of context and regardless of how "factual" it is.

and Jax, personally a lot of dog breeders or enthusiasts wouldn't even consider something with a relative from 8+ generations back as inbred, the chances of them even having mildly similar genetics is very very slim. So while I'm not personally trying to alter the connotations behind the word, I just prefer breeding my wolves more accurately/in depth than just inbred or not :D (Just find it more fun, it probably won't stick for other players, but that was never the point for me).

Haha I getchu bunni, which is why I am planning on using COI for my personal use and didn't suggest it as the universal term. Although if someone doesn't get it, even a few second google search will answer their question :p

But most of us aren't dog breeders.

Personally, if you told me someone was related to be even if they were removed from me several generations, just the knowledge of the relation would be enough of a dissuasion. But that's just me (and of course I know logically that all of us are related to some degree anyway due to a lot of things, but that's besides the point).

I know Jax, I've said that already XD I personally would use the term, never suggested it to be the commonly used term. I'm just explaining it, as some players are curious about it.

Edit: and I've seen some others players also wanting to use the term for their own projects :D

Honestly, if you talk to breeders of animals you will know that they use inbreeding as a fairly neutral term amongst themselves. The only problems come about when the "Coefficient Of Inbreeding" is too high, causing "inbreeding depression". That's where outcrossing comes into play, to avoid the negatives of inbreeding depression whilst still keeping the traits you want.

If you don't care about real life terms, you can still appreciate that inbreeding is vitally important tool, and not as negative as you think, because of recessive genetics. WD actually has a recessive mutation feature, so it'll be useful here as well.

A lot of dog and genetics fans are going to be playing the game. We've been waiting for something like this for years. You're also forgetting that there are human cultures where relationships between distant relatives are fine, so you can't really apply your preferences universally. Same for this game.

Perfectly written VagueShapes ^-^

Anyway, to respond to the OP:

It isn't any ones places to determine which terms should be used and should not be used (which to your credit, you did agree to, after asserting it shouldn't see use). If people wish to maintain their use of clean and dirty, that's their own business and in the vast majority of cases, no one is coming to harm because it. I'm using these terms, so are other people; us clean breeders have already done the song and dance of being scrutinized for imagined slights and we have no wish to do said song and dance again. "Clean" means the bloodline is free of qualities that are undesirable to our goal, whatever that goal may be (no inbreeding, no big 4, both, ect). It was never meant to imply superiority or hatred or anything like that.

I feel like this thread would've benefited more if it wasn't conceived with the a negative bent towards clean and dirty (i.e saying the terms "probably shouldn't be used", calling the style "infamous", saying there are "issues" with it) and was instead created as a completely new thing for a completely new game (That all being said, I acknowledge the discussion would've probably come down this path anyway.) . If you take Umbridge with the terms for some reason and wish to replace them for your own (and other like-minded players) comfort, that's fine, but when you're pushing those terms into threads that are, say, comfortably and happily using the old terms it's. Well, it's definitely not cool.

Just my two cents.