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Breeding Terminology for Future Reference - A Proposal

Posted 2020-10-11 19:46:10

Everyone has their preferences and reasons, that's fine and valid. If clean doesn't have mass appeal, that's because it wasn't made to appeal to the masses; just to me. Fun fact: New blooded was also a term that was conceived alongside clean blooded, but it never took off and died very early on!


🥴 The Jaxhammer | CLCN
#4077

Posted 2020-10-11 19:48:39

I like your style UnheardSiren!

That is why I would personally use COI%, people can easily google the term if unsure.

Although I understand it may need to be simplified for the sake of it being an easier to understand, universal term. Although COI to me is still simple, I just wanted to explain my reason for it!

Linebred/linebreeding is also simple (could be LB) although linebreeding does actually have another meaning, which is why I wouldn't use it as the general term myself.

Personally, I wouldn't class a dog (or wolf) that has the same relative from 8 generations ago as inbred, which is why I wouldn't want to use the term Inbred, dirty or any other meaning that specifically refers to the wolf as inbred.


xXDruidXx
#2778

Posted 2020-10-11 19:51:45

I'd say linebred, inbred, and my mind is blanking on a term for the last. Something along the lines of a novel line, I do kind of like heirloom for that. Inbred is just a term but in general line bred tends to be used to describe a further back ancestor while inbred is any close breeding. Particularly parent/offspring and siblings.


It's important to remember animals do not have our moral aversion to inbreeding. If somebody has two sibling dogs it isn't uncommon for them to have litters together if the people don't think they'll mate because they're siblings. And it isn't automatically a bad horrible thing, it just really depends on multiple factors such as often unknown recessives and how often that line of animals is inbred.

So maybe linebred for any animals that have no common ancestors in the visible pedigree but do past that. And inbred for any wolves with shared ancestors on the first visible page. Although honestly for linebred we could go to great great grandparents.

Magpie
#406

Posted 2020-10-11 19:54:53

Linebred animals most probably would have immediate or almost immediate ancestors in common, so I couldn't see that working myself ^-^ Many linebred animals are bred to parents, sibings and even bred back into them again as the breeders are trying to get the specific recessive genes or 'special look' replicated.


xXDruidXx
#2778

Posted 2020-10-11 19:55:28 (edited)

WD players aren't animal breeders. NIB and IB probably have more appeal that Outcross/Linebred/Whatever. Anything I don't have to google is already more appealing than complicated breeder terms lmao

Also, animals are animals sure, but humans play the game. Incest is an icky topic, regardless of context or if it's "natural" or what have you. Even if they're wolves, if people want to avoid it, it's understandable why they would feel the need to do so.


🥴 The Jaxhammer | CLCN
#4077

Posted 2020-10-11 19:59:01

I mostly agree Jax, I was saying that I personally would use COI, I wasn't suggesting it to be made the universal term (I explained it more in my previous posts).

I just specifically disagree with the term linebred or LB being used as it has an actual meaning that doesn't necessarily mean the same as the ol' classics ''clean'' and ''dirty''.


xXDruidXx
#2778

Posted 2020-10-11 19:59:48

What is "COI" btw?


🥴 The Jaxhammer | CLCN
#4077

Posted 2020-10-11 20:05:00

COI = Coefficient of Inbreeding. 

There are free software programs that calculate COI; as a RL animal breeder I have tried many (all have their +/-).

COI may be a bit beyond what the average WD user can wrap their head around in the absence of a program to do the calculations, and a fair bit has to do with how many generations you go back.

In real life if the same sire/dam appeared in a pedigree on both sides but it was 10 generations back and a single instance, no one would consider than an "inbred" animal mostly because the genes have been so diluted by that point as not to matter. The COI would be low and the breeding acceptable.


bonibaru
#369

Posted 2020-10-11 20:05:26

@ The Jaxhammer Coyote Teeth mentioned it on the second page 


Doods
#3294

Posted 2020-10-11 20:06:42

Bonibaru, that's why I personally use COI :D Plus a lot of wolvden players will have played dog breeding games and/or looked genetics up/breed dogs etc etc, so the players who care about it would appreciate it I feel :D


xXDruidXx
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