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Change how backgrounds are used

Change how backgrounds are used
Posted 2020-11-15 15:27:57 (edited)

Hi dev team!

I'd like to suggest a change to how backgrounds are used.

Now when you equip a background to a wolf that background disappears from your hoard until you unequip it from the wolf, and only then can you use the background again.

My suggestion is that when you equip a background it loses 1 use but still appears in your hoard, and you can equip it to another wolf right away (and loose another use of course).

Why?

  1. For lore reasons you may want several/all of your wolves to have the same background. This change would make this easier as you can use the background on 5 wolves at the same time instead of having to buy 5 identical backgrounds (expensive!) and then have lots of leftover uses if you don't want to use those backgrounds again (maybe your have moved to another biome and the background no longer makes sense lore-wise).
  2. When a beloved wolf dies you may want to let it keep the background when shown in your dynasty. However, if you have 4 uses left on a background it will feel like a complete waste to keep it equiped on a dead wolf. This change would make it easier to let a wolf keep its background when dead. Sometimes a wolfs background can be an important part of the overall design/lore of the wolf.

Thanks for reading and considering!

Edit nov 18th 2020:

I came up with another solution that would require minimal coding:
Simply make all backgrounds have only 1 use (and also reduce the price for them, of course). Then there would be no need to remove the background after a wolfs death, and you would be able to afford to buy 5 identical backgrounds for your wolves and use them all at once.

Edit july 2nd 2022: Note: This suggestion was made before I knew dynasty wolves have their decor removed. I'd much prefer if they get to keep their decor, something that has been suggested in other topics. However I feel my original suggestion is still relevant, I'd love to be able to use the same decor/background on more than one wolf at once, and I think the easiest way to implement this would be to make them all 1 use. When crafting a background you'd get 5 copies of the background (with 1 use each) instead of 1 copy with 5 uses.
Eelai
#1355

Posted 2020-11-15 15:35:55

Oooh, yes, please, this would be so cool! 

I wonder if it could be coded sort of similar to the way food gets used, where you can apply one use to multiple wolves at once from the same item?

Honestly I'd be a lot happier to buy backgrounds if they could be applied to several wolves at once, even if they didn't come with as many uses as a result. Maybe it would be dropped to 5, but you can have 5 wolves use the background at once, that way it doesn't get devalued at all by expanding it's use? That is the only drawback I could see from like, the economy standpoint I guess


badweather
#1805

Posted 2020-11-15 19:38:15

Support - it'd be much more worthwhile to buy a background you can use on 5 wolves at once (the Raccoon ones I can see have 5 uses already, anyway), than one you can use on one wolf now, and another wolf after it dies, and three more after that, which with normal wolf lifespans will take two years to use up a single background.


Nika
#10475

Posted 2020-11-16 14:43:54

I honestly thought that this was more how apparel and backgrounds worked- that they were like "stamps" and I could apply it once to a wolf, it would remain on the wolf until I overwrote it or removed it, and I would have that item with 4 uses left for other wolves still in my hoard.

The system as-is, where an item with multiple uses is equipped and simply uses one use once unequipped feels like it was designed for people who are going to be constantly dressing and undressing their wolves and changing things around so that each time the item is unequipped, it gets some wear & tear until it breaks and vanishes.

Buuuuut I don't normally play like that, especially when there's a wardrobe and I can do all the tinkering and fine-tuning of Wolf Dress Up Game before spending money on the items I want to put on my wolf.

It's actually a bit of a detractor that I've got to buy 5 copies (25 uses) for five wolves, and I'm less likely to buy dress up items now because of it.

I'd much prefer the system of applying one use of the item to a wolf, having the remaining uses still in hoard, and then it being erased permanently when removed instead of the current system of removing an item and it still having uses remaining.


Mars 🦌
#2490

Posted 2020-11-16 18:03:50 (edited)

This is honestly one of my biggest issues with Lioden, so Wolvden doing it differently by making backgrounds and decor more like "stamps" (to use Mars' word) would be a huge improvement.

With how difficult it is to raise up enough SC to even purchase a background from the Raccoon to begin with, it definitely disheartens and frustrates me to know that I'll only be able to use one on one wolf at a time. Like others pointed out, if you wanted to give, say, three of your wolves the same background, you would have to spend 3,000 SC... and then those backgrounds would have leftover uses that really would just be going to waste (assuming you never unequip these backgrounds after you apply them).

The most common argument I've heard against this idea is that it would wreck the background and decor economy... because someone could equip it, getting what they want out of it, and then sell it to someone else while continuing to keep the background/decor on their own wolf.

My solution to that would be to make it so once you equip a background/decor, it would stay available in your hoard with its remaining uses, BUT it would no longer be tradable. In effect, you wouldn't be able to trade it because the site's coding would recognize it as being "in use" in general. If you wanted to sell it, you would have to unequip it, which would: 1.) remove it completely from the wolf (of course), and 2.) use up a use. This would close the loophole pretty easily, I think, provided it's not too difficult to code!

lutheus
#1530

Posted 2020-11-18 00:23:30

I came up with another solution that would require minimal coding:

Simply make all backgrounds have only 1 use (and also reduce the price for them, of course). Then there would be no need to remove the background after a wolfs death, and you would be able to afford to buy 5 identical backgrounds for your wolves and use them all at once.

Eelai
#1355

Posted 2020-11-18 05:18:40

My issue with that is that you could possibly end up wasting a lot of currency by buying a background, equipping it, and then changing your mind. You'd be out of luck, basically. And as an indecisive person, that'd be way too punishing, imo. I think backgrounds should always have at least five uses because of that.

I'm not against the cost being lowered, though, especially if they keep the uses system the same as it is right now. 

lutheus
#1530

Posted 2020-11-27 17:57:58 (edited)

I support the original suggestion, allow us to have up to the 5 uses active at a time.

If they're going to ask for 1000SC, it does feel a bit harsh for it to only be allowed on 1 wolf at a time. I can understand if you might only want it active on 2, so 3 uses would still be left. But I think limiting it to 1 isn't great. Especially for lore purposes where you might want all your wolves from a certain cave to have the same background for example. The user currently will need to buy however many backgrounds as they have wolves, and even if it's only 5, that's 5000SC. The only problem that would need to be addressed is you won't be able to sell leftover uses if any of your wolves are currently using 1 of the 5. This way, someone couldn't put the background on 2 wolves then sell the other 3 basically splitting the item across 2 players, if that makes sense. If they want to sell left over uses, none of their wolves can have any equipped.

I don't think lowering the prices to match a single use is a great idea though.


feykros
#16931

Posted 2020-12-06 13:43:53

Support, it's honestly confusing otherwise.


Soul
#6229

Posted 2021-01-22 00:15:18

Huge support. This has always bothered me with Lioden as well. Personally though, I would love to see the 'x' number of uses concept change as a whole not just for backgrounds, but also any decor. You could give every item 1 use only and lower the price, or make certain decor more expensive, and allow them to be equipped and unequipped as many times as you'd like in the way most other games handle their apparel. While I would kind of prefer the latter, as it removes some of the stress of knowing you'll eventually 'lose' an item, there are different ways to go about this while keeping balance and economy in mind. 

Backgrounds for sure are very expensive, considering how difficult it is to obtain SC at the moment. I would be fine with a lot of the craftable decor, and decor you find while exploring- like the butterflies- to be one use only. When events start up though, I'm going to want to keep any of the special decor earned from those and be able to use them well into the future. I'm not quite sure what the perfect solution would be, but I definitely agree with the points you raised.


Nineve
#12703

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